Our guests today are Clay and Susan Griffith, the husband and wife writing duo behind the near perfect (yep 5/5 bats!) new novel THE GREYFRIAR (the first in the Vampire Empire trilogy). It’s a paranormal steampunk set in a world where vampires have essentially taken control of the earth and the humans left free are preparing the war to end all wars to take it back, and the impossible love story at its heart:
I was blindsided by how phenomenal THE GREYFRIAR was from start to finish. Amazing vampire mythology, a chilling alternate history, and a poignant romance that grips your whole heart and refuses to let go. – All Things Urban Fantasy’s Review
Clay and Susan are explaining all about the supernatural universe in THE GREYFRIAR and (thanks Pyr) giving away 3 copies of the book. See details below.
“Open” and “Closed” Supernatural Universes
by
Clay and Susan Griffith
Hello everyone. We are Clay and Susan Griffith, a husband and wife writing team whose new novel THE GREYFRIAR (Pyr Books) hit stores on November 2. It’s the first part of the Vampire Empire trilogy.
On the convention circuit this summer, we were introduced to the debate about “open” and “closed” supernatural universes in fantasy settings. Since it was new terminology to us, we thought it might be new to others too. Basically, it’s simple. It’s a matter of whether the existence of myths and monsters in your fictional world are publicly known, or hidden from the world. Lots of authors use both systems very imaginatively. Each system makes for excellent stories when utilized in new and unique ways.
A lot of occult fiction operates with a closed system. For example, in the classic Dracula, the characters don’t know that creatures such as vampires exist, except in legend. The vampire lurks in shadows and takes precautions not to reveal himself to the outside world. It is only through the character of Van Helsing that the characters discover this secretive and terrifying underworld. Even so, the rest of the world never learns that such creatures exist.
Another good example of a closed system is Tanya Huff’s wonderful Blood series. Henry Fitzroy is the 450-year-old vampire living in Toronto, Canada who exists outside of human society. Even after he teams up with human detective, Vicki Nelson, his true nature remains a secret to the world at large. Thanks to Vicki, we readers are given an in-depth glimpse into the supernatural world lurking in Toronto’s cold urban landscape.
Sometimes the “monster” itself strives to become a part of human society, even while struggling to keep their secret from being revealed. In Maria Lima’s exciting Blood Line series, the heroine, Keira Kelly, gives us firsthand knowledge of what it means to be a necromancer and shapeshifter.
The closed supernatural system gives the writer ready-made tension and plot conflict. The tension comes from the delicious revelation of the hidden mysteries, and its shocking impact on the main characters. However, this type of system can lead to limitations too, such as restricting the type and amount of interaction between the monster and characters. If supernatural secrets are revealed, then they must have repercussions, and the writer must deal with it – or mindwipe people.
Now, on the other side, there are plenty of books with open supernatural systems, where the myth is widely known to exist. The monsters walk freely (more or less) and interact with the world and its denizens. In the Sookie Stackhouse series by Charlaine Harris, vampires are your next door neighbors. Another good example is Gail Carriger’s Parasole Protectorate series where the supernatural and soulless openly defend the citizens of London, England.
Our new novel, The Greyfriar: Vampire Empire Book 1, is very much an open system. In our book, everyone is painfully aware that vampires are real because the fiends have conquered half the world. While that may diminish an unfolding sense of mystery, it offers up unique opportunities for us. In our world, vampires are a global superpower. They have their own politics and economics, and we juxtapose their blood-soaked civilization with industrial human society. And the interplay isn’t pretty.
We also rearrange the old vampire legends and myths for our system. Our vampires are not the undead, but rather a parasitic species. They aren’t harmed by daylight, per se, but they can’t tolerate constant heat, so they prefer the night, and tropical climates can be deadly to them. They have heightened senses, except for their blunted sense of touch which makes them capable of absorbing terrible damage without stopping, unless they suffer catastrophic injury such as the destruction of a vital organ, giving rise to the stake through the heart myth.
The open supernatural system works well for us, although technically our vampires aren’t supernatural. While the closed system serves best for tales of mystery, our book is more of an adventure story than a horror novel. In order to tell an epic story of war and romance, we need the vampires to be in the open. Of course that doesn’t mean that the humans in our book completely understand the vampire rules. Centuries of myth persist, and that confusion of truth and legend can be a bad thing considering a war to the death is about to begin between the two species.
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Clay & Susan Griffith are the authors of The Greyfriar: Vampire Empire Book 1 (Pyr Books, Nov. 2010) They are a married couple who have written and published together for more than a decade. Their credits not only include several books and numerous short stories published in many anthologies, some featuring noted genre characters like Kolchak the Night Stalker and The Phantom. They've also written scripts for television and published graphic novels featuring characters such as The Tick and Allan Quatermain.
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Giveaway
Giveaway courtesy of Pyr Books
3 copies of THE GREYFRIAR by Clay Griffith & Susan Griffith
Description
In the year 1870, a horrible plague of vampires swept over the northern regions of the world. Millions of humans were killed outright. Millions more died of disease and famine due to the havoc that followed. Within two years, once-great cities were shrouded by the gray empire of the vampire clans. Human refugees fled south to the tropics because vampires could not tolerate the constant heat there. They brought technology and a feverish drive to reestablish their shattered societies of steam and iron amid the mosques of Alexandria, the torrid quietude of Panama, or the green temples of Malaya.
It is now 2020 and a bloody reckoning is coming.
Princess Adele is heir to the Empire of Equatoria, a remnant of the old tropical British Empire. She is quick with her wit as well as with a sword or gun. She is eager for an adventure before she settles into a life of duty and political marriage to a man she does not know. But her quest turns black when she becomes the target of a merciless vampire clan. Her only protector is the Greyfriar, a mysterious hero who fights the vampires from deep within their territory. Their dangerous relationship plays out against an approaching war to the death between humankind and the vampire clans.
Vampire Empire: The Greyfriar is the first book in a trilogy of high adventure and alternate history. Combining rousing pulp action with steampunk style, Vampire Empire brings epic political themes to life within a story of heartbreaking romance, sacrifice, and heroism.
Click HERE to read an excerpt from THE GREYFRIAR
GIVEAWAY GUIDLINES
- Open Internationally
- Leave a comment (and a way to contact you) telling us which type of supernatural universe you prefer.
- Entries must be received by Midnight MST on November 17th
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Wow I love that the authors are a husband and wife duo so cute! lol
ReplyDeleteAny way I like living in a universe where I know that they exist! Easier to defend yourself when you know what your fighting right!
Great Post I loved it!
Thanx for the chance to win a copy
kristen_babygurl@hotmail.com
Kristen
My Bloody Fairy Tale
I like the open supernatural worlds slightly more than the closed off worlds. I'll read almost anything as long as it is entertaining.
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I am so excited for this book! All the reviews have been amazing!
ReplyDeleteRealistically i think that not knowing they exist is a lot easier as you would probrably live in fear your whole life...BUT i personally like the idea of knowing so that you could create special gadgets and weapons, it would be pretty awesome:)
Thank you for making the giveaway international
holz_twilight@msn.com
The 5 star review was enough to peak my interest. I'm not sure I have a preference in regards to open or closed worlds. I just love watching an author's world unfold. The cleverness and uniqueness are a thrill for me. This book is a definite read for me. Good luck with the release.
ReplyDeleteI'm really looking forward to reading this book it sounds fantastc!
ReplyDeleteI like open supernatural worlds better than closed ones in general, it's good to actually know what you might be up against! I still like a book with a closed world as long as its a good story :)
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Jen
Magic Faerie's Paranormal Review
Sounds like a different kind of vamp book hope to win it. Elizabethcerna2011@gmail.com
ReplyDeleteI prefer closed or hidden supernatural characters. I think it gives a bit more suspense to books.
ReplyDeleterobin [at] intensewhisper [dot] com
This sounds like a really great book! I like worlds where there is an air of mystery and vamps and weres and other things that go bump in the night are still secret and mysterious. Its so fun to read about the other characters reactions to the unknown and slightly creepy!
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I like both open and closed worlds. It depends on the story.
ReplyDeletesgiden at verizon.net
Thanks for the giveaway. This looks like trilogy I would really enjoy.
ReplyDeleteI like knowing what is living in my universe. It makes it easier to deal with.
lizzi0915 at aol dot com
I guess it really depends on what kind of story you want to tell, but I prefer closed systems, because it is more mysterious and I feel gives the characters some great opportunities to discover things about themselves and their world.
ReplyDeletemidnytereader@gmail.com
I really enjoy the open worlds where the supernatural are out and people know about them.
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Katie
bigferret at email dot com
Honestly I don't have a preference.
ReplyDeleteExamples (and by no means all I've read here...lol):
I've read both series by Laurell K Hamilton (Anita Blake and Merideth Gentry) where the were out in the open and I adored the books. But, I've also read Kelley Armstrong's Women of the Otherworld where they were hidden and loved them too.
jlynettes @ hotmail . com
THank you so much for the giveaway! I've been wanting to read this book sicne I read your review =)
ReplyDeleteI enjoy both kind of world really. They both have their purpose and gives a different feel to the story. If I have to pick though I think I'll take the closed one. Mostly because my favorites series are that type.
Thank you!
TYngaUF(a)gmail.com
I don't really have a preference, and I read books with both open and closed supernatural worlds. I like the big reveals that you get with a closed world, but I also like the exotic strangeness of open worlds.
ReplyDeleteschmettajames at hotmail.com
I enjoy both open and closed worlds, but I like that we get to feel like we're "in" on something with closed worlds.
ReplyDeletechelsea AT vampirebookclub.net
Futuristic, steampunk & vampires...my kinda world. I have no preference on which world, I'd be open to both.
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sgalley65 at yahoo.com
This book sounds absolutely fascinating. Have been reading about it.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this guest porst. I didn´t know about the terminology either.
ReplyDeleteIt´s hard to decide, because there are great books with both open and closed systems.
If I had to choose, I´d go for an open. It´s great to read about the struggle to fit in the supernatural creatures have!
tine_86 AT hotmail.de
I enjoy reading both, looking forward to this one! tWarner419@aol.com
ReplyDeleteOooh I've been wanting to get this book since I read Abigail's review last week! It sounds so amazing. Thanks Clay and Susan for the guest blog and giveaway!
ReplyDeleteI read both but I prefer an open supernatural system especially if the protagonist is supernatural. I don't like when they have to hide who they truly are.
nalynboni AT gmail DOT com
I just like a world I can sink into and enjoy. Probably an open one with closed segments. Mystery but not too much. Great post. Really sounds like a good world to get into!
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This book looks great. To answer your question, I would prefer the close system type of world because I love the mystery and secreacy, I think it would be very exciting.
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ReplyDeleteI love reading stories that take me out of this world and into another. The higher the stakes the better. If the author can weave a dark rich world with characters I can root for...I am hooked! Charlaine Harris is one of my favorites to read. I can't wait to read Vampire Empire!
ReplyDeletejnmt3@hotmail.com
I read both. Right now, my preference is for an open system. The book sounds great. Thanks for sharing some insight today. (Email in profile.)
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ReplyDeleteThank you for introducing me to the terms "Open" & "Closed". It was an excellent post. Both have been written extremely well and I can't choose one over the other.
All the best,
RKCharron
Sounds like an interesting book! This is the first time I have heard of it.
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I like it when you know they are there. I think it adds something to the story.
Lane
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Both systems have merits - you can tell different types of stories. I have to admit recently I've preferred open worlds. I've read so many books about vampires and the supernatural, I find myself yelling at characters who can't seem to put an aversion to garlic and sunlight together with vampire after 300 pages!! :)
ReplyDeleteVampire Empire sounds great! I can't wait to read it!
notanotherbookblog(at)hotmail(dot)co(dot)uk
I like both kinds of universes. I loved the Henry Fitzroy books but I also liked the Sookie Stackhouse and Anita Blake books. I guess I'll take my vampires just about any way they come. :)
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Well I think it all depends on the Authors Ideas and writing but I must admit, closed builds suspense but both are acceptable for my taste.
ReplyDeletemarlenejaberblue@gmail.com
wow that sounds like an interesting story. To me it doesn't matter whatever works for the story will be good for me.
ReplyDeleteI don't really care either way really. All I can say is my favorite vamp series out there, they are in the open, but then in my second and third favorite series they are not.
ReplyDeleteReally though it just depends on the type of story like they said.
Tdubwow@gmail.com
I have been wanting to read this so badly! I love the cover and the blurbs:) I'm open to anything the author uses for their story as long as the writing is good and the plot strong.
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I am looking forward to this one!
ReplyDeleteI do like the closed universe, but it sometimes makes the story a bit meh. It becomes claustrophobic. The author decides to skip on the tension. The suspense.
An open universe is fun too. But I oftentimes find an author won't think, in depth, about the effects of supernatural beings on us average humans.
So I guess I like any kind, as long as the author does a good job with it.
patronus89013 at yahoo dot com
The Greyfriar sounds like an awesome book - I can't believe this is the first I've heard of it. I can't really choose between an open and a closed universe, because I've read books with both options and I love them both. The Greyfriar's open universe fits the story line and it will be very interesting to see where it goes as the books progress.
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I think that I prefer an open universe, as there would be more opportunity for conflict. There could still remain the storylines wherein folks want to protect their identity/nature. I'd be interested in seeing how this would be handled in a modern setting.
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What an awful choice to ask us to make! :P I like both "open" and "closed" worlds for various reasons. I suppose if I had to choose which one I read more of I would say "closed". While I do enjoy the "open" concept too, I find that it's a lot harder to do it well. It requires a lot more fact and less mysteriousness IMO. Even so I have been really looking forward to The Greyfriar ever since I first heard about it from Doug over at SciFiGuy.ca. Can't wait to read it.
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I like an open supernatural world! Dying to read this book!!
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Littopandaxpress(at)yahoo(dot)com
I really like both types of systems but I guess I lean a little more towards closed.
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This book looks great. I love both types of supernatural worlds because it allows the author to create their own myths as well as stay within the traditional ones. I love that the hero's past is a mystery because it allows for all different types of predictions.
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smccar1(at)hotmail(dot)com
think I prefer open universe. They make it even more crazy :P I like vampires, werewolves. I don't like fairies' books too much.
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I love the cover of this book. Also, I've read a lot of positive reviews, therefore I can't wait to read "The Greyfriar".
ReplyDeleteAbout the universe... Nowadays, I prefer books with open universe. In my opinion, it gives authors lots of opportunities to create an interesting and unique world. "Open" world is next stage after the closed system. I wonder what will be next :).
himilika[at]hotmail[dot]com
I like both open and close universes, it all really depends on the metaphors being played out (ex. fear of the Other, privileged ignorance, conspiracy theories...)
ReplyDeletesteampunk and vamps/wolves is getting more popular now huh, I hope this is as good as the Soulless series, though of course with a more serious tone lol
thanks for the giveaway!
ninefly(at)gmail(dot)com
I like a closed universe better becasue then you don't know this new world that you are stepping foot in. That way there is a lot of surprises for the characters and the reader.
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apk1princess@live.com
My preference is for an open system. I love to see how everyone fits into society...from vamps, weres, witches, etc. I do read books in both universes, so I'd never not read something because it was closed.
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I like the open system as I like watching how each side reacts to the other. Watching how they care for each other, how they dislike each other's abilities, avoid, attract...it's intriguing.
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I prefer the open system....the politics and societal developments in response to supernatural creatures is far more interesting than the actual shape-shifting or blood-sucking.
ReplyDeletecass at feministdracona dot net
I read and enjoy both worlds - they both have great features!
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bevsharp@desch.org
I think I enjoy a closed world slightly more just from the aura of danger, tension, mystery it creates. My second favorite series has an open world though so clearly I'm a fan of what both have to offer!
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h.blais16@gmail.com
I don't mind either way, but I guess I prefer open - there are so many possibilities on how your world can be structured. With closed, I always have a niggling thought in the back of my head wondering how it's possible to keep such a big secret.
ReplyDeleteI'd love to win this. Thanks for the giveaway.
jen(at)delux(dot)com
it all depends on my mood I guess. Closed is when I'm not frustrated, open is for when I'm feeling generous and willing ;)
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bethsanzo@gmail.com
Would love to read it. Sounds new and exciting.
ReplyDeletejbax90@gmail.ccom
When I start reading some YA fantasy book I go deeper in the world that the auther made and it's so good to be in the feirytail that I don't want to end.
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mpp1501@gmail.com
Sounds like a great book!! Can't wait to read it.
ReplyDeletechickenherder@hotmail.com
sounds like a good book. I generally like an open universe!
ReplyDeleteelizabethjhoskins@gmail.com
I love dystopian futures and alternate histories which are basically two sides of the same coin.
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I do like the sound of this book, this alternate universe just sounds wicked, and scary too.
ReplyDeleteI like the ones were creatures and humans live side by side, I guess I am all for open too
blodeuedd1 at gmail dot com
I don't know...I think I like both the open and closed universe; it really depends on the particular story being told. I do agree that the closed universe tends to provide more mystery and ups the danger because of the need to keep things on the down low. An open universe, on the other hand, is cool because it provides for an interesting look at how society and culture are influenced by the supernatural and how the paranormal beings assimilate to the human world.
ReplyDeleteThanks for the awesome guest blog post and the giveaway!!
gosia727(at)gmail(dot)com
i like closed universes as it ups the ante and seems more suspenseful.
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Well, closed universes keeps the characters of the story careful as to prevent humans from finding out about them, and it is also interesting to see how they regard us homo sapiens :). It makes the story more suspenseful and secretive, in a way. But in open universes, it is also immersing to see how society percieves these new supernaturals, how the supernaturals adjust or had adjusted to the modern world, and what the supernaturals did when in the human world.
ReplyDeleteIt's kind of an even-even thing.
asianpersonBM@gmail.com
I don't have a preference - it depends on the story I think, both can be fun.
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baychriz at gmail dot com
I can't seem to choose, I enjoy reading it all! ;)
ReplyDeletelinaramz at yahoo dot com
"GreyFriar" of course Been so much Buzz on BN.and here Abigail.. that I must read it especially after reading about the Authors Very ExcitedI personally like an Open World.More and more..I am no longer a Newbie..Would love to leave my email address but its public..so IF I Win I Promise too ASAP get back to you...
ReplyDeleteI have read both but prefer open universes which are not as claustrophobic. I enjoyed the Parasol Protectorate and Ghostland by Jory Strong. I have been looking for this book but have yet to see Greyfriar on the bookshelves locally.
ReplyDeletelinze_e at hotmail.com
depends sometime si want open where eveyrthings out in the open then other times i love closed where its there but a shocking too its awesome so im not picky tho i have to say this book sounds awesome and i loveee this books cover and known its a husband and wife team gives me hope with an aspiringwriter mind and husband great post!
ReplyDeletemortalsinn@yahoo.com
I don't know, I'm kind of torn on this one. I have read books in which it was an open universe and people were aware of what was around them. I really liked those books, but I think I am leaning more toward the unaware universe. I love the element of surprise and the shock of knowing your nightmares really do exist. I gotta say, I love the husband and wife team, amazing :)
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ReplyDeleteRealistically i think that not knowing they exist is a lot easier as you would probrably live in fear your whole life...and that would suck ..:(
ReplyDeleteraluk.93 at gmail (dot) com
What a great giveaway! And what a great book! It's on my TBR -- unless, of course, I win it!! Then I'll read it right away. I think I prefer a closed supernatural universe because "what you don't know can't hurt you". :-)
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This sounds great!
ReplyDeleteI don't have a preference actually, I like them both. =)
folksohana at gmail dot com
Really I do not have a preference as to what kind of world... what makes a difference to me is the story telling quality... how compelling is the author's "voice"...
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cherrymischif-warrior [at] yahoo [dot] com
I like both open and closed worlds. Open worlds are perhaps more easy to relate to, but a wonderfully created closed world is just as sweet an escape.
ReplyDeleteangeldream3(at)gmail(dot)com
I think I like both.
ReplyDeletejenlilley at hotmail dot com
Great post! Very informative. Now, I've always liked the closed universe, but after reading the description of THE GREYFRIAR, I might just have to change my mind.
ReplyDeleteThank you for opening this up to me.
Diane
diane [dot] lebow at google dot com
Whether the universe knows supernatural creatures exist or not, it doesn't matter to me. It all depends on if the author keeps the story interesting enough for me to keep reading!
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-Kelsey
I am for open supernatural world.
ReplyDeletexlacrimax at gmail dot com
My preference would definitely be for open worlds.
ReplyDeletekkyyyssss@gmail.com
I like closed worlds, because they seem more suspenseful. However, I've read some great books with open world societies.
ReplyDeletemarlenebreakfield(at)yahoo(dot)com
I so want to read to read this one after seeing your review Abigail! I like anything in a dystopia flavor. It seems like those are the only settings that really get my heart racing these days.
ReplyDeleteI like the paranormal universe where the myth is widely known as Sookie Stackhouse's books but also I like when the monsters are hidden, there is thriller. I read a great variety of books.
ReplyDeleteI like an open supernatural universe. This usually gives the author more freedom to create the world in my experience.
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